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Colin McEnroe's avatar

I would begin by noting that, in its exquisite young life, MT has already grappled twice with its creator's categorical music prejudices, the first being country music in Feb. Can we schedule opera for early June, hiphop for Sept., etc.? Here, I think we have a conflation problem. Are we talking about musicals or the songs in musicals? When people say they don't like musicals and use words like "contrived," they tend to mean they don't like the idea of someone pseudo-spontaneously bursting into song -- as opposed to the songs themselves. It's a little unclear to me where you are on this, so let's pursue it. "Shall We Dance" is a song from a musical. Here's Loston Harris and some cats playing it out of context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlKFM2zi1E

It's a great song. And it's worth noting that for decades "American popular music" and "show tunes," although not exactly the same thing, overlapped a lot. And it was sometimes hard to tell -- as it is with country music -- what belongs in the category and what doesn't.

Let's take another terpsichorean-themed tune, "I Won't Dance." Kern, Hammerstein and Harbach write the song for a play called "3 Sisters," which opens in London in 1934 and bombs (despite some splashy cast members). Never makes it to Broadway. But Hollywood is very much in the movie musical business, so, by 1935, it has drifted there and been inserted into the movie version of "Roberta," which as already been a Broadway show (numbering Bob Hope, Fred MacMurray and Sydney Greenstreet among its cast, FFS!). For the movie, the great Dorothy Fields tunes up the lyrics and Jimmy McHugh does something that gets him the fifth song credit. Fields gives us the Sondheim-worthy rhyme, "But heaven rest us / I'm not asbestos." Astaire and Rogers sing it in he movie but not terribly well. Is it a song from a musical or just a good song? It's 91 years old. People record it all the time, especially people looking for duets. Bennett and Gaga did it. Elling and McKellar did in 2023. Here is an MT nightmare: a country singer covering a show tune (with Diana Krall).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=achkn3nBHdU&t=46s

Think about a song you like from right now. What are the chances interest in it will survive for 90 years?

Lastly (I promise) let's look at the other objection -- people bursting into song. And, I grant you, in some cases, skeptics wll have a problem on both ends. It might be a problem for a woman to suddenly start singing, "I'm as corny as Kansas in August" and the song itself may also grate. But songs also benefit from their place in the musical. Nancy Lamott singing "I Have Dreamed" will tear your heart out, of course, but even a couple of high school kids in the school production of "The King and I" could possibly touch you with that song in its context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-wHybsiC9U

Sondheim is special because so many of his songs were cut from musicals and then survived as revue pieces. "Marry Me a Little" comes to mind. There's a song cut from "...Forum" that really gets me. It's mostly a comic song, but I also find it wrenching. But it needs its context, as you will see here. Hopefully Okrent reads this far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7RWppbO2vU&t=8s

Adieu.

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Joe Sandler's avatar

Another really great issue. Well done!

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